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lol sorry dep i was meant to say 'in Country X you only need to show your passport for all these things and your visa/residence status can be verified electronically by the airlines, medicare, bank, border control, immigration & citizenship, police, schools, employers etc without having to see a PR card or a visa sticker; privacy safeguards are in place'. ;)

anyway, i shall leave it as is lest i be suspected of making up sci fi stories :eek:

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There are, most likely indeed, some countries which maintain comprehensive databases on individuals and allow across-the-board access to many others. Even in Canada, like the U.S., the access to basic name-record arrest-conviction criminal records is extensive, but no, generally personal information is fairly well (not perfectly) protected in Canada, even from other government entities (let alone private companies like airlines).

This is not to say, however, that information collected or maintained by one government agency is not ever accessible. There are complex rules and regulations and laws governing who has access to what information and protocols for obtaining information about particular individuals from another government body. In particular, for example, if there is just reason to initiate an investigation, a referral from one agency or department can be sent to another one seeking certain kinds of information regarding certain individuals. But, as a general matter, Canada has fairly strict protocols limiting the extent to which our personal information can be accessed by even government personnel.
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BTW: Not an expert, not a Can. lawyer, never worked in immigration
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Originally posted by dpenabill dpenabill wrote:

But, as a general matter, Canada has fairly strict protocols limiting the extent to which our personal information can be accessed by even government personnel.


same thing applies to 'Country X'. there are serious privacy rules and criminal liability attached. and there are strict safeguards in place. e.g. the only thing the airline can see electronically is whether the said person can board the aircraft. nothing more. the person cannot board the aircraft if computer says 'No'.

things like these, electronic integration with strict privacy safeguards, require some level of government electronic sophistication. oh well i was embarrassed to see that my recently renewed canadian passeport is non-electronic. for f---s sake it's 2013! :eek:

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Originally posted by unloadmymind unloadmymind wrote:

Originally posted by dpenabill dpenabill wrote:

But, as a general matter, Canada has fairly strict protocols limiting the extent to which our personal information can be accessed by even government personnel.


same thing applies to 'Country X'. there are serious privacy rules and criminal liability attached. and there are strict safeguards in place. e.g. the only thing the airline can see electronically is whether the said person can board the aircraft. nothing more. the person cannot board the aircraft if computer says 'No'.

things like these, electronic integration with strict privacy safeguards, require some level of government electronic sophistication. oh well i was embarrassed to see that my recently renewed canadian passeport is non-electronic. for f---s sake it's 2013! :eek:

 

I cannot agree more with unloadmymind.

 

Even with the electronic transfer of personal information to different divisions of the government and to some private sectors, there can be a limitation as to what pieces of information can be disseminated or what not. What Canada is doing now is not “fairly well” protected privacy as dpenabill refers to, but rather (I personally would put it this way), an effective means to use resources which only delays processing and places more burden on individuals, instead of facilitating things.

 

More than a decade has passed since the new millennium, but it is amazing how Canada remains impervious to so many technological developments that came into being.

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Originally posted by broket broket wrote:

Originally posted by unloadmymind unloadmymind wrote:

Originally posted by dpenabill dpenabill wrote:

But, as a general matter, Canada has fairly strict protocols limiting the extent to which our personal information can be accessed by even government personnel.


same thing applies to 'Country X'. there are serious privacy rules and criminal liability attached. and there are strict safeguards in place. e.g. the only thing the airline can see electronically is whether the said person can board the aircraft. nothing more. the person cannot board the aircraft if computer says 'No'.

things like these, electronic integration with strict privacy safeguards, require some level of government electronic sophistication. oh well i was embarrassed to see that my recently renewed canadian passeport is non-electronic. for f---s sake it's 2013! :eek:

 

I cannot agree more with unloadmymind.

 

Even with the electronic transfer of personal information to different divisions of the government and to some private sectors, there can be a limitation as to what pieces of information can be disseminated or what not. What Canada is doing now is not “fairly well” protected privacy as dpenabill refers to, but rather (I personally would put it this way), an effective means to use resources which only delays processing and places more burden on individuals, instead of facilitating things.

 

More than a decade has passed since the new millennium, but it is amazing how Canada remains impervious to so many technological developments that came into being.

 
opps typo there... "INEFFECTIVE MEANS TO USE RESOURCES"
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Originally posted by broket broket wrote:


More than a decade has passed since the new millennium, but it is amazing how Canada remains impervious to so many technological developments that came into being.


"Country X" started using electronic passports in 2005. even some 'third world' countries issue electronic passports. 

the odd man out:
 




Edited by unloadmymind - 06 Mar 2013 at 8:08am
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