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dpenabill
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Posted: 20 Jan 2010 at 5:09am |
Right.
rbenoit left out an important part of the IMM 0008 (generic) requirement: it applies only to the primary applicant's dependents (spouse or children) who are NOT Canadian citizens or Canadian PRs. The "additional family information" IMM 5406 is broad, and includes everyone identified in IMM 0008 (generic) and also includes the primary applicant's spouse and dependents even if they are Canadian citizens or PRs, and includes parents and siblings, as well as half and step-relations. The use of "immediate family" I am familiar with includes parents and siblings as well as spouse and children, so to my mind a distinction focused on "immediate family" does not work all that well in explaining the difference between who is identified in 0008 versus who is identified in 5406. 5406 is merely informational, mostly to assist CIC in clearly establishing the primary applicant's identity. 0008 is the application for PR itself, and so identifies the applicant and all potential (that is those who are non-accompanying as well as those who are accompanying the primary applicant) immigrants under that application, and who must therefore be "examined." |
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dealic
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That is correct. You are not included as an accompanying or nonaccompanying dependent. You are not listed on that form. You are (assumably) the sponsor. HOWEVER, on the form about Additional Family Members (the one the OP is referring to) you ARE listed as a spouse, even though you are a Canadian Citizen. You are listed there and only there. :) |
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canada2010
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I have a question about IMM008. I am a canadian citizen. Do my wife need to fill out my info on page 2 of IMM0008 ? I am confused coz on top of page 2 of IMM0008 it says ' you must include spouse ..... who are not already permanent residents or citizens of canada.. does this imply that she doesnt need to list me as I am already canadian citizen or is it only for children ?
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rbenoit
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IMM0008 asks about your immediate family.
Immediate family is defined by you, your spouse and any children you may have.
IMM5406 asks about additional family members.
Additional family in this case is defined as you, your, spouse, your parents, your children, your brothers, your sisters, and includes 1/2 brothers 1/2 sisters and what ever other combination they list.
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peachy871
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Thanks dpenabill...that logic was floating somewhere around my head but I just couldn't retrieve it. I am glad you were able to put that into better words than me saying, "But that does not make any sense." LOL
Sweetg...I do see the sense in it...was just confusing for me as I had IMM0008 on the brain and there was nothing that changed that frame of mind (other than the instructions that said "You must answer all questions") that this really was different in its definition of family. But that is what forums like this are good for!! (Are you applying from within Canada? You can always give CIC a call when you have a question, too!) They sent the form back to my partner along with the letter confirming that they received his application. It included a checklist of things they wanted us to send in in order to continue with processing. They gave us a deadline but we sent our stuff back to them within 10 days of having received their letter. |
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SWEETG
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I know its like written in 1 isolated page that everyone has to fill it out....makes no sense...when they they send it back to you? and when did you return it?
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dpenabill
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I am very confident that this refers to only persons identified in IMM 0008 (generic) as applicant or dependent over the age of 18 (including non-accompanying dependents), as who must complete their own forms, and not "family members" identified in the IMM 5406 form itself but not included (as, essentially, persons to be examined) in IMM 0008 (generic).
That is, same persons as who must personally complete their own copy of the Background Declaration (IMM 0008 Schedule 1). Same persons who must undergo the medical exam. |
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peachy871
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OH. MY. GOD. I feel faint. I just looked at the instructions on IMM3999. And there it was, on page 12. But that does not make any sense. It makes sense to declare them but it doesn't make sense for his siblings and aging mother to fill it out too. And to answer the question, they sent back the one form my partner had originally filled out because of a couple of errors on it. We printed a new one, made sure all the info was correct then sent both the first one and the second one back with a letter. They didn't say anything about each family member listed on it filling out ones themselves. I am sure they would have if it was required. Anybody else know for sure?? or have called CIC about it? (for those of us who are outland, we cannot call CIC. We can email but it takes forever and a day to hear back...at least from my visa office) |
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BMonk
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Thank you for the quick answers! That tells me all I need, everyone. There's gotta be a better term than "family member"!
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SWEETG
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peachy871...did they send it back to you to fill out the additional family information form, or did each member of your family 18yrs and over have to fill out their own??
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