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    Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 12:18am
Hi everyone,
 
I am really lost, please help to analyse my case. Initiately, I would want to make a outland sponsorship, but the recent update of processing timelines at cic put me in dilema. My processing office in Singapore now takes approximately 18 months which is comparable to the timeline of inland sponsorship. From what I understand from reading this forum, upon the first stage assessment and approval of me (the sponsor), my spouse can apply for a work permit. From then on, she will have to wait another 9 months for stage 2 which is her application for PR.
 
Since now that the timeline for both are about the same, isn't it better to go for the inland route instead? I am considering this inland route because at least she gets a work permit in 9 months, rather than waiting for 18 months not able to do anything during the outland process. She will be with me in Canada regardless of which method we use. I am aware that she won't be able to leave the country via the inland application and there's no right of appeal. If she cross the border to US and return within the same day, is it considered leaving the country? And regarding the work permit, is it necessary to have a job offer first before she can apply for one and how long is it valid for?
 
Did I miss out on anything that outland is still preferable compare to inland? In other words, would there be more complications via the inland application?
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Originally posted by matthewc matthewc wrote:

It's frustrating. It does simplify the information they're publishing, and make it marginally easier to understand, but at the cost of the really important 50% mark, like dpenabill said. It would have been much better for them to use the 50% number, if picking just one to publish.

The real problem (which could actually cause logistical issues for CIC) is that many people will now look at the published numbers, and decide to apply inland, when in fact they would have gotten a decision really significantly faster applying overseas, because they don't understand that the published timeline is actually only for 1 in 5 cases... it's an overestimate for 4 out of 5, to the extend of being down-right misleading for those straight forward, no-complications applications typically processed in only a few months.
Actually the inland timelines have gone up just as much, really.  Its 8-9 months for AIP and now 9 months for second stage.  Me and a few other inlanders are hoping that the second stage 9 months is actually a max (I had known many inlanders who got their second stage within like 2-3 months after AIP, prior to this timeline change).  But really that's a max of 18 months inland vs. max of 11 months outland.
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This is really disappointing. 9 months for the second stage of inland processing?! So after I get a work permit I can't leave the country for a further NINE MONTHS? I hope that what you're saying is the case for the Buffalo, that on average everything will be processed faster than stated.
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It's frustrating. It does simplify the information they're publishing, and make it marginally easier to understand, but at the cost of the really important 50% mark, like dpenabill said. It would have been much better for them to use the 50% number, if picking just one to publish.

The real problem (which could actually cause logistical issues for CIC) is that many people will now look at the published numbers, and decide to apply inland, when in fact they would have gotten a decision really significantly faster applying overseas, because they don't understand that the published timeline is actually only for 1 in 5 cases... it's an overestimate for 4 out of 5, to the extend of being down-right misleading for those straight forward, no-complications applications typically processed in only a few months.
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I thought that myself, that the change in format may indeed be in large part a reaction to how much CIC resources are diverted to respond to, well, impatient inquiries, an attempt to stem some of demands on CIC staff. I have not seen any formal explanation by CIC, and if anyone else has please share, so while this seems a fairly probable explanation we do not really know. And, in particular, the public is no longer informed as to how long it takes to process most applications (as in fifty percent); the gap between six months and eleven months is a long time for those waiting to be reunited with their partner -- if most qualified applicants who submit well-done and thoroughly supported applications still see (statistically) a final decision in approximately six months, that is information CIC should share. Families seeking unification should be entitled to realistic information as to how long qualified applications take to be processed, not some average incorporating the processing times for incomplete, unqualified, or otherwise problematic applications. Sure, in contrast, people should be more patient before demanding the expenditure of government resources to address their particular case -- although the anxiety and worry involved can be expected and government services should be responsive to such needs.

In other words, just because some people make premature demands on CIC for information does not mean CIC should cease offering realistic, particular information about the process; punishing most to address the problems posed by a few is simply wrongheaded.

And, in the meantime, there is no way for the public to know whether or not CIC will indeed now be taking several months longer to process most applications . . . the public will only be informed if the processing of a number larger than one in five applications takes longer (that is, so long as CIC processes 80 percent in 11 months, there will be no notice to the public if the fifty percent which was being processed in six months or less is now taking eight or ten months to process).   
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I would imagine its an approach taken by CIC to limit the number of people contacting them unnecessarily early in the process. Having just the one figure for 80% of applications in the last twelve months is a clearer line to draw as to when you should contact them about the status of your case or involve your MP.

Just my 2 cents.
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Originally posted by dpenabill dpenabill wrote:


It is disappointing, if not disconcerting, that CIC has gone to a less informative application timeline format.

True, it seems if anything the change should've gone in the progressive direction with more information.
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I am fairly confident that most applicants going through Buffalo should see a processing timeline of significantly less than 11 months.

The timeline may be getting longer. The change in format for CIC's presentation of "how long it takes to process" an application may have been implemented to mask how much longer it is or will be taking. Hard to say. Hard to imagine, though, that what has persistently been the case for the last few years, as in that most spousal sponsored PR apps going through Buffalo reached the decision made stage in less than six months (CPC-M sponsor processing time included), has suddenly and dramatically increased beyond that.

It is disappointing, if not disconcerting, that CIC has gone to a less informative application timeline format.
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They're updating "Step 1" on a weekly basis. And I religiously check at least every week now, got pretty pumped to see CPC-M go down from 41 to 37 days again.

(also, I basically check every day anyway Smile)
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I'm not sure I like how they are presenting the stats. It's nice that it seems to be based Qrtly, however looking at the London figure of nine months seems very misleading. Folowing cases as I went through the process my best guess would be more on the four month side. I assume the nine months is probably more the max side of things, but still the range of 4 to 9 is a little more hopefull for new applicants. Just my $0.02.
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