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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eastcoastgirl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jul 2010 at 3:38pm
No I do not know you, I was merely trying to point out that this is not the place to solicit business.  I will not respond to any further posts on this matter.  I don't judge you or anyone else, I am in no place to judge.  Just stating the obvious.
06/22/09:Married in Santo Domingo
04/22/10:Application received in Mississauga.
06/01/10:Approved to sponsor
07/16/10:In process (can finally log on e-cas on 21st)
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I am giving free advice yes but if you look at this post they where looking for someone to do there file and assist them with there appeal this means going to the appeal court and yes i would charge for this you don't know me at all so don't judge me and why would i take advantage of people i believe what comes around goes around Karma and by the way someone did contact me and ask me to help this person but i was not able to reach them .....Stop judging where all here for the same reason 
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@Immigrationconsultant...you say you are legit and want to offer free advise, but why in the other post did you say you would charge her a reasonable fee (not your words exactly but this is basically what you said).  People on this forum are here to offer and recieve adivse and support free of cost.  When someone is going through a rough time, I do not think they need people coming out of the woodwork charging them money.  If she requested your help, that would be a totally different scenario.  If someone had given her the number or name of someone to contact, that would have also been a different scenario.  You on the other hand are looking for money in my opinion and could care less how she makes out. Again, this is only my opinion.  I just know there are many people out there that are indeed naive, good honest people that are easily taken advantage of.  I would hate to think this is what is going on. 
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04/22/10:Application received in Mississauga.
06/01/10:Approved to sponsor
07/16/10:In process (can finally log on e-cas on 21st)
07/30/10:AOR rec'd in mail
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote immigrationconsultan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jul 2010 at 2:32pm
East coast girl i am legit and you can verify my membership as a csic member i am not prying on innocent people as you notice this person ask for help and i offer my help
I understand that you may feel i am  scam as there is many scam
here is the link where u can verify my id
https://www.csic-scci.ca/find/all.html
 my name is Nancy Le Breton
and to lonely why is it not the right spot for consultant  to be here  i am also in process of sponsorship my husband and i think that if i can give free advice and help people and also learn and listen to what people need and want
If i offended anyone it was not my intention i am sorry  my intention are good i am just trying to help east coast girl i am also original from the east coast i am a from New Brunswick but now live in B.C.
Wish you all luck and a good day


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I have to agree with eastcoastgirl. these forums are for those who are going through the process and we are here for each other to help if we can. I feel it is not the right spot for consultants to be.
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@Immigrationconsultant....
It would be my guess that this is NOT a place to solicit business for yourself and prey on innocent people and take advantage of their misfortunes!!!!!  Get a life and go look for business elsewhere!!!!
(If I am wrong and this person is legit, I do apologize but something tells me this is a scam)!
06/22/09:Married in Santo Domingo
04/22/10:Application received in Mississauga.
06/01/10:Approved to sponsor
07/16/10:In process (can finally log on e-cas on 21st)
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Hello
I want to first tell you that i am sorry about the outcome of your file
I am a immigration consultant and would like to talk to you about it and help you with you appeal
at a reasonable cost
Contact me anytime
Nancy
[email protected]
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I have no doubt that most IOs take their jobs quite seriously, and I am sure there are some difficult cases to decide.  I recall reading that the rejection rates vary considerably by office, and I assume this is due to a combination of a higher proportion of weak or even outright fraudulent applications, and more skeptical IOs.  Some would undoubtedly interpret regional differences as evidence of racial or cultural bias, and I've no doubt that it's a fair charge in some cases.  After all, the world is far from perfect, and if there's anything I've learned it's that almost anything you can imagine has happened at one time or another.  

I'm sure there are genuine couples who have been kept apart by rejections; fraudulent applications correctly sniffed out and rejected, and even cases in which sponsors have been saved from a lot of grief by IO's rejections of people trying to use a sponsor's affection to gain entry to Canada.  The entire gamut is undoubtedly represented among those rejected. However, that is no comfort to a genuine couple who haven't provided the level of proof required by their IO.   

The system is imperfect and undoubtedly mistakes are made. It's cold comfort to the victims of these mistakes that the system generally works quite well and processes the majority of applications fairly, albeit very slowly in some offices. My heart goes out to those rejected - I can imagine how that must feel, as I think most of us can because undoubtedly we worried about it while our application was in play.
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Jan 29 App. sent
Mar 1 Sponsor approved
Mar 9 Passport requested
Mar 24 RPR Fee paid
Apr 15 File under review
Apr 30 Decision made
May 11 Decision mailed
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I largely agree with PMM.

However, there does appear to be an unwritten or unofficial tendency toward, if not a relatively defined threshold imposed upon, certain kinds of applications being processed in a few specific Visa Offices. And this is probably based very much on practical realities and probabilities, not cultural or ethnic bias (even though perhaps the impact has a disproportionate impact on certain cultural and ethnic groups, and of course it appears that too often some cultural and ethnic bias does encroach into the process). As a result, especially relative to applications to sponsor persons from particular third-world, economically disadvantaged countries, and involving applicants (from such countries) with whom the sponsor has not had a lot of physical contact, the applicant probably faces a more difficult burden of proof . . . again, probably based on empirical data . . . which of course is probably exacerbated by the simple reality that the absence of a lot of personal, physical contact itself attenuates the capacity of the sponsor and applicant to fully and intimately know each other (many are "fooled" or misled by someone they spend large portions of most days with, let alone by someone who they rarely have spent physical time with), making it more difficult to "prove" the genuineness of the relationship.

It is worth remembering, it is not a Visa Officer's job to abstractly discern whether or not a relationship is genuine. It is the Visa Officer's job to determine whether or not the applicant has PROVEN that that relationship is genuine as well as all the other elements of the application.

Thus, just because a relationship is indeed genuine does not mean it qualifies. It must be genuine, AND the applicant must PROVE it is genuine. This seems to be oft overlooked; it appears many tend to present what might be called a "prima facie" case thinking that is sufficient (and I had an acquaintance who obviously approached the sponsorship of his Russian wife this way, with predictable results). It isn't.

Edited by dpenabill - 02 Jul 2010 at 4:39pm
Bureaucracy is what bureaucracy does, or When in doubt, follow the instructions. Otherwise, follow the instructions.



BTW: Not an expert, not a Can. lawyer, never worked in immigration
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Hi

Originally posted by Harmonia Harmonia wrote:

Trainman - I would strongly suggest getting some form of qualified representation (immigration lawyer).  They have far more experience in fighting appeals than you do, and might have some tricks up their sleeve that you might not think about.  Make sure that when you choose an immigration lawyer that they have actual hands-on experience with cases similar to yours, and moreso - that they have been successful.


 

And yes - I agree with you - if you can prove the relationship is genuine, that should be good enough -- but sadly, the I/O didn't share that opinion.

 

Sometimes I wonder if they are secretly told to delay what they might consider 'non-conventional applications' - just to add enough stress to the situation to 'weed out' the non-genuine apps.  It's just a thought - and in no way indicitive of reality - but I've seen a few legit couples be denied, and that bugs me.

 

Again we ask the question:  how on Earth can someone "validate" a relationship with only a paper file, a 90 minute interview, and ZERO personal insight?  The entire process has more holes than swiss cheese. 

 

I can understand perhaps being able to identify 'high-risk' sponsors (i.e. people who have already sponsored one spouse into Canada, and are now trying for another) --- but how they make concrete decisions without concrete facts is beyond me.

 

It cant be an easy job though.  I am sure they realize that they are holding peoples' lives in their hands... lives that they can ruin at the flick of a pen.  I have not (yet) been at an interview - so I have no idea how the I/O's conduct the assessments.  They are just people - and while some people are compassionate, some are not.  I'm sure that they all get faced with challenges where there is a conflict between their own personal beliefs and CIC policy. 

 

Rather than identify that on-the-fly, they have the appeals process. 

 

Perhaps they would do better having a 'buddy system' for PR applications - where both parties need to agree on the outcome, and if they are deadlocked, a third party is brought in to swing the balance.  Nice idea - and relatively fair too - but can you imagine how long the process would take if they did that?

 

 


1. I doubt that there are any "secret instructions" there are just too many applications, so the IO has no real interest or hidden agenda. They just want them processed and off their desk, so they can get on with the next one.
2. I bet most IOs would prefer that all the applications were complete and genuine, it is a lot less work to approve than refuse, and document and write the refusal.
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