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    Posted: 24 Jun 2010 at 5:30pm
I am interested in understanding the canadian health system experience.
 
In the USA, we are told that it always takes too long to get whatever one needs, be it check-ups, diagnostic tests, operations, etc.  but I noticed that the canadian system is ranked as the 17th best in the world and USA's is ranked 37th?! that must account for something.
 
I am perplexed. what's your take on this?  Do people have to wait too long for needed services?
 
 
On talk radio, I've heard examples of people being given IV's and sent home to die and people having heart attacks in the emergency room and being told they have to wait as they die on the floor.  sounds rather odd, but that's the kind of things we typically hear in the USA. what's a canadians perspective on this?
 
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Hi,
I personaly do not like canadian health system. I lived in France for few years and it is by far better than the canadian, but everytging is relatif. I heard that the canadian is better than the usa.
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I have lived in the US for 9 years before I moved to Canada for good. The advantange is the US is that you have a problem, you go visit a doctor and get the treatment immediately. Be it a diagnostics or after identifying a problem.
In Canada with the Govt paid health care, no wonder you will end up waiting a little longer, but if its an emergency, Health Care System is not going to let you wait here iddefinitely. Depending on the situation or condition, the treatment will be quicker or delayed.

You last statement about letting people die on the floor is a hoax! I used to live in Fort Erie just across from the border to Buffalo and used to listen to Talk show from Buffalo. Mainly in the last 8 months as Obama administration has been pushing towards the reformed healthcare system, I see these talk show hosts making up stories to ensure the reform does not go through.

In fact, I have had one of the best doctors here in Canada and the way they handle patients. All in all, if you are going by what talk show b*itch says, they do not worry too much.
You may be better reaching out to a friend here and get his/her ideas.

There may be other reasons why you might want to think about lving in Canada which includes cost of living compared to US but definitely injecting people IV to die is not something that happens in Canada!lol!


Originally posted by ponkatart43 ponkatart43 wrote:

I am interested in understanding the canadian health system experience.
 

In the USA, we are told that it always takes too long to get whatever one needs, be it check-ups, diagnostic tests, operations, etc.  but I noticed that the canadian system is ranked as the 17th best in the world and USA's is ranked 37th?! that must account for something.

 

I am perplexed. what's your take on this?  Do people have to wait too long for needed services?

 

 

On talk radio, I've heard examples of people being given IV's and sent home to die and people having heart attacks in the emergency room and being told they have to wait as they die on the floor.  sounds rather odd, but that's the kind of things we typically hear in the USA. what's a canadians perspective on this?

 

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The subject is extensively covered in the newspapers, you may try the Globe and Mail or Montreal Gazette.

It's governmental run system, and it varies from a province to an other.
You need to choose which province you want to know more about.

You may start reading this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems

Originally posted by ponkatart43 ponkatart43 wrote:

I am interested in understanding the canadian health system experience.
 
In the USA, we are told that it always takes too long to get whatever one needs, be it check-ups, diagnostic tests, operations, etc.  but I noticed that the canadian system is ranked as the 17th best in the world and USA's is ranked 37th?! that must account for something.
 
I am perplexed. what's your take on this?  Do people have to wait too long for needed services?
 
 
On talk radio, I've heard examples of people being given IV's and sent home to die and people having heart attacks in the emergency room and being told they have to wait as they die on the floor.  sounds rather odd, but that's the kind of things we typically hear in the USA. what's a canadians perspective on this?
 
Thank you
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I lived in US for 5 years and then moved to Canada 4 years ago. As per my experience health system is hopeless. I settled down in Calgary and most of the doctors who are accepting new patients are rated worse on the 'rate my MD' website. One doctor who did my food allergy tests suggested I am intolerant to certain things (some sort of disorder or something else) but lab tests were inconclusive. He referred me to Specialist and its 10 months wait time. There is no check and balance. Since its Govt funded lots of Doctors want to setup 5 appointments to discuss 5 topics.
Only instance where Canadian Health system is better than US is ... when you collapse and are taken to hospital and you are diagnosed with something life threatening like heart attack or cancer etc etc.. in that case you will get attention from Hospital and like US insurance companies they wont come back to you to say so and so cancer tests are not covered under your plan so you pay out of your pocket.  If you dont qualify for emergency then you are out of luck and it can take up to an year to have your problem looked at by a qualified Specialist.
 
Originally posted by ponkatart43 ponkatart43 wrote:

I am interested in understanding the canadian health system experience.
 
In the USA, we are told that it always takes too long to get whatever one needs, be it check-ups, diagnostic tests, operations, etc.  but I noticed that the canadian system is ranked as the 17th best in the world and USA's is ranked 37th?! that must account for something.
 
I am perplexed. what's your take on this?  Do people have to wait too long for needed services?
 
 
On talk radio, I've heard examples of people being given IV's and sent home to die and people having heart attacks in the emergency room and being told they have to wait as they die on the floor.  sounds rather odd, but that's the kind of things we typically hear in the USA. what's a canadians perspective on this?
 
Thank you
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agree with you , optimus, whats yr timeline, btw ?
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Wow! I am disapointed. At wikipedia it said that most Canadians get what they need within a month and that people in the USA who are on medicade/medicare have to wait atleast 3 months. so I was thinking the canadian system was better, but I can't disregard the posts here.
 
I also thought that since its a universal system and doctors have a cap on how much they can make, (the cap is highest in Saskatuan at $235,000 and lowest in Quebec at $165,000) that since there's a cap, doctors don't engage in trickery like what you said about having 5 appointments for 5 things. I wonder if the're also x-ray happy and if they do unnecesary procedures too.
 
Since you're in  Calgary I thought wait times would be great because the quality of life index map
 
 
 when it comes to "access to heath resources" and overall too rates the calgary and high river areas as "great" (symbolized by the color red).
 
One can't just call up a specialist for an appointment? You have to see your primary care doctor first, get his permission, then wait many months to see the specialist?
 
I was also suprised by how you said the quality of the doctors was really bad.
 
Thank you for your time. All the best.
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if you want my advise... study medicine.... become an MD.  not for anyone but only you and your family.
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lol! that was good!
Originally posted by iwannabecanuck iwannabecanuck wrote:

if you want my advise... study medicine.... become an MD.  not for anyone but only you and your family.
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My impression of the health care in Ontario is extremely positive. Little or no discrimination based on economic status.

My impression of U.S. health care: extremely expensive and you get about half (or less) what you pay for . . . so if you are willing AND ABLE to pay a great deal, you can indeed get excellent health care in the States. Otherwise, don't get sick.

I have been a member of OHIP for less than two years. I have had a battery of tests done to assess my overall health. I recently had symptoms of an ailment that demands immediate treatment to minimize its impact, including long term effects, and I simply went to a walk in clinic immediately and obtained the appropriate prescription (it does take a little longer to see my personal physician . . . so I followed up with her a few days later), and that saved me much agony (I was still ill for awhile but far less severely than if I did not obtain the medication within 48 hours of onset).

My wife's and my ongoing preventive health care is excellent. My observation has been that chronic illness care (given to others) is very good. I was treated in emergency rooms in Canada, and once had surgery here, prior to becoming a PR and thus prior to having any covered health care in Canada. The service was very, very good. The cost was very, very reasonable (but had to be paid up front . . . including a deposit to cover contingent costs prior to being accepted into a hospital for surgery . . . but again, those costs were quite reasonable).

While I had excellent health care coverage when I was living in, and employed in the United States, that was through employer provided insurance (though of course I paid thousands of dollars a year toward the premiums), but as soon as I became self-employed I could no longer justify spending the even more thousands of dollars a year for "insurance" premiums (which were way higher for self-employed or individual coverage) than I was paying for actual health care . . . so I went on the Bush plan, don't get sick . . . though of course I did occasionally get sick, even needed surgery one year . . . total cost, out-of-pocket, was less for the entire nine years I did this than I would have paid for one year's worth of insurance premiums.

Overall I have observed that Canadian health care is, for most people, a dramatic improvement over U.S. care. My daughter, in the U.S., recently went through an entirely normal pregnancy and childbirth, and while she obtained excellent care through a very good insurance, her co-pay amounts added up to thousands of dollars still. Thousands of dollars over and above what the insurance company paid, for an ordinary pregnancy and child birth.

While it is my impression that the recently adopted (but mostly yet to be implemented) health care reforms in the U.S. are a step in a better direction, I also perceive that the U.S. system is still a long, long way from becoming a just system let alone a good system . . . the discrepancy in care between the affluent and the not affluent is grossly unjust and there is lots of statistical evidence, such as infant mortality rates among many other areas in which the actual quality of health care is evidenced, illustrating what should otherwise be obvious: the U.S. has among the worst health care systems among the more modern, industrialized countries.
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BTW: Not an expert, not a Can. lawyer, never worked in immigration
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