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I'm posting this here in case someone has any input to give.

We had applied for h&c for my father in March 2018. We were later told my mum could sponsor him in-Canada. So we submitted that file in September 2018. Turnaround time for a normal file is 12 months. Our file was going according to the guidelines. Medical passed Dec 2018, PCC & RCMP submitted January 201o, Sponsor eligibility passed April, applicant eligibility failed (due to the misrepresentation) so we got procedural fairness letter and we replied end of April requesting the file we assessed under H&C.

File got transferred to local office in July 2019 for review. Officer contacted us in August 2019 asking us to resubmit our H&C grounds. Start of October 2019 they contact our local CBSA asking for parts of my father's file. Start of November we get Stage 1 from Vancouver-BRO. 3rd week November we get email from officer asking us to send in a withdrawal request for sponsorship file as the Vancouver file was approved and will proceed.

I was curious to know the notes on sponsorship file so requested GCMS. I got them today and the most recent notes state file was referred specifically to CMB citizenship. Many parts of the notes were also erased. So we didn't get everything that was logged in by the officer.

I found that very odd. We had applied for PR and not citizenship. I know files are submitted to CMB if an exception or waiver is requested. And we requested exemption but referring the file to CMB specifically for citizenship didn't make sense.

Any ideas?
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Originally posted by bushra1122 bushra1122 wrote:

I'm posting this here in case someone has any input to give.

We had applied for h&c for my father in March 2018. We were later told my mum could sponsor him in-Canada. So we submitted that file in September 2018. Turnaround time for a normal file is 12 months. Our file was going according to the guidelines. Medical passed Dec 2018, PCC & RCMP submitted January 201o, Sponsor eligibility passed April, applicant eligibility failed (due to the misrepresentation) so we got procedural fairness letter and we replied end of April requesting the file we assessed under H&C.

File got transferred to local office in July 2019 for review. Officer contacted us in August 2019 asking us to resubmit our H&C grounds. Start of October 2019 they contact our local CBSA asking for parts of my father's file. Start of November we get Stage 1 from Vancouver-BRO. 3rd week November we get email from officer asking us to send in a withdrawal request for sponsorship file as the Vancouver file was approved and will proceed.

I was curious to know the notes on sponsorship file so requested GCMS. I got them today and the most recent notes state file was referred specifically to CMB citizenship. Many parts of the notes were also erased. So we didn't get everything that was logged in by the officer.

I found that very odd. We had applied for PR and not citizenship. I know files are submitted to CMB if an exception or waiver is requested. And we requested exemption but referring the file to CMB specifically for citizenship didn't make sense.

Any ideas?


Was your father already a citizen? I remember you mentioned he became landed immigrant in 1990s (if I remember correctly), but I don’t remember if he received citizenship as well.
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So we received a very polite letter from our MP’s assistant that unfortunately HC cannot be accelerated at this stage. And we have to wait and hope PRRA does not get refused before HC is decided (and my spouse can remain in Canada).

I plan to ask for a brief reference letter to add to our file as I remember someone here requested such letter from MP. At this point, we are not losing anything - so if they refuse, so be it.
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Originally posted by Feltrinella Feltrinella wrote:

Originally posted by bushra1122 bushra1122 wrote:

I'm posting this here in case someone has any input to give.

We had applied for h&c for my father in March 2018. We were later told my mum could sponsor him in-Canada. So we submitted that file in September 2018. Turnaround time for a normal file is 12 months. Our file was going according to the guidelines. Medical passed Dec 2018, PCC & RCMP submitted January 201o, Sponsor eligibility passed April, applicant eligibility failed (due to the misrepresentation) so we got procedural fairness letter and we replied end of April requesting the file we assessed under H&C.

File got transferred to local office in July 2019 for review. Officer contacted us in August 2019 asking us to resubmit our H&C grounds. Start of October 2019 they contact our local CBSA asking for parts of my father's file. Start of November we get Stage 1 from Vancouver-BRO. 3rd week November we get email from officer asking us to send in a withdrawal request for sponsorship file as the Vancouver file was approved and will proceed.

I was curious to know the notes on sponsorship file so requested GCMS. I got them today and the most recent notes state file was referred specifically to CMB citizenship. Many parts of the notes were also erased. So we didn't get everything that was logged in by the officer.

I found that very odd. We had applied for PR and not citizenship. I know files are submitted to CMB if an exception or waiver is requested. And we requested exemption but referring the file to CMB specifically for citizenship didn't make sense.

Any ideas?


Was your father already a citizen? I remember you mentioned he became landed immigrant in 1990s (if I remember correctly), but I don’t remember if he received citizenship as well.


No he wasn't a citizen.
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Originally posted by bushra1122 bushra1122 wrote:

Originally posted by Feltrinella Feltrinella wrote:

Originally posted by bushra1122 bushra1122 wrote:

I'm posting this here in case someone has any input to give.

We had applied for h&c for my father in March 2018. We were later told my mum could sponsor him in-Canada. So we submitted that file in September 2018. Turnaround time for a normal file is 12 months. Our file was going according to the guidelines. Medical passed Dec 2018, PCC & RCMP submitted January 201o, Sponsor eligibility passed April, applicant eligibility failed (due to the misrepresentation) so we got procedural fairness letter and we replied end of April requesting the file we assessed under H&C.

File got transferred to local office in July 2019 for review. Officer contacted us in August 2019 asking us to resubmit our H&C grounds. Start of October 2019 they contact our local CBSA asking for parts of my father's file. Start of November we get Stage 1 from Vancouver-BRO. 3rd week November we get email from officer asking us to send in a withdrawal request for sponsorship file as the Vancouver file was approved and will proceed.

I was curious to know the notes on sponsorship file so requested GCMS. I got them today and the most recent notes state file was referred specifically to CMB citizenship. Many parts of the notes were also erased. So we didn't get everything that was logged in by the officer.

I found that very odd. We had applied for PR and not citizenship. I know files are submitted to CMB if an exception or waiver is requested. And we requested exemption but referring the file to CMB specifically for citizenship didn't make sense.

Any ideas?


Was your father already a citizen? I remember you mentioned he became landed immigrant in 1990s (if I remember correctly), but I don’t remember if he received citizenship as well.


No he wasn't a citizen.


I would not worry. Their division names do not always make sense.
For example, my spouse’s PRRA was sent to Backlog office though it has nothing to do with backlog.
Sometimes they also transfer file to other offices because they are less busy (to reduce backlog).
The important thing is that you have AIP.
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Originally posted by Feltrinella Feltrinella wrote:

Originally posted by bushra1122 bushra1122 wrote:

Originally posted by Feltrinella Feltrinella wrote:

Originally posted by bushra1122 bushra1122 wrote:

I'm posting this here in case someone has any input to give.

We had applied for h&c for my father in March 2018. We were later told my mum could sponsor him in-Canada. So we submitted that file in September 2018. Turnaround time for a normal file is 12 months. Our file was going according to the guidelines. Medical passed Dec 2018, PCC & RCMP submitted January 201o, Sponsor eligibility passed April, applicant eligibility failed (due to the misrepresentation) so we got procedural fairness letter and we replied end of April requesting the file we assessed under H&C.

File got transferred to local office in July 2019 for review. Officer contacted us in August 2019 asking us to resubmit our H&C grounds. Start of October 2019 they contact our local CBSA asking for parts of my father's file. Start of November we get Stage 1 from Vancouver-BRO. 3rd week November we get email from officer asking us to send in a withdrawal request for sponsorship file as the Vancouver file was approved and will proceed.

I was curious to know the notes on sponsorship file so requested GCMS. I got them today and the most recent notes state file was referred specifically to CMB citizenship. Many parts of the notes were also erased. So we didn't get everything that was logged in by the officer.

I found that very odd. We had applied for PR and not citizenship. I know files are submitted to CMB if an exception or waiver is requested. And we requested exemption but referring the file to CMB specifically for citizenship didn't make sense.

Any ideas?


Was your father already a citizen? I remember you mentioned he became landed immigrant in 1990s (if I remember correctly), but I don’t remember if he received citizenship as well.


No he wasn't a citizen.


I would not worry. Their division names do not always make sense.
For example, my spouse’s PRRA was sent to Backlog office though it has nothing to do with backlog.
Sometimes they also transfer file to other offices because they are less busy (to reduce backlog).
The important thing is that you have AIP.


We have to withdraw this file anyways, I just found the notes to be off. Plus few lines have been omitted from the notes, heightening my curiosity further.

You're right though, AIP is what counts. Keep us posted about your husband's PRRA as well. Good luck!
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Originally posted by bushra1122 bushra1122 wrote:

Originally posted by Feltrinella Feltrinella wrote:

Originally posted by bushra1122 bushra1122 wrote:

Originally posted by Feltrinella Feltrinella wrote:

Originally posted by bushra1122 bushra1122 wrote:

I'm posting this here in case someone has any input to give.

We had applied for h&c for my father in March 2018. We were later told my mum could sponsor him in-Canada. So we submitted that file in September 2018. Turnaround time for a normal file is 12 months. Our file was going according to the guidelines. Medical passed Dec 2018, PCC & RCMP submitted January 201o, Sponsor eligibility passed April, applicant eligibility failed (due to the misrepresentation) so we got procedural fairness letter and we replied end of April requesting the file we assessed under H&C.

File got transferred to local office in July 2019 for review. Officer contacted us in August 2019 asking us to resubmit our H&C grounds. Start of October 2019 they contact our local CBSA asking for parts of my father's file. Start of November we get Stage 1 from Vancouver-BRO. 3rd week November we get email from officer asking us to send in a withdrawal request for sponsorship file as the Vancouver file was approved and will proceed.

I was curious to know the notes on sponsorship file so requested GCMS. I got them today and the most recent notes state file was referred specifically to CMB citizenship. Many parts of the notes were also erased. So we didn't get everything that was logged in by the officer.

I found that very odd. We had applied for PR and not citizenship. I know files are submitted to CMB if an exception or waiver is requested. And we requested exemption but referring the file to CMB specifically for citizenship didn't make sense.

Any ideas?


Was your father already a citizen? I remember you mentioned he became landed immigrant in 1990s (if I remember correctly), but I don’t remember if he received citizenship as well.


No he wasn't a citizen.


I would not worry. Their division names do not always make sense.
For example, my spouse’s PRRA was sent to Backlog office though it has nothing to do with backlog.
Sometimes they also transfer file to other offices because they are less busy (to reduce backlog).
The important thing is that you have AIP.


We have to withdraw this file anyways, I just found the notes to be off. Plus few lines have been omitted from the notes, heightening my curiosity further.

You're right though, AIP is what counts. Keep us posted about your husband's PRRA as well. Good luck!


Thanks Bushra! I asked MP assistant for reference letter to add to file - I will let you know if he agrees.
It was useful to have them follow up with immigration anyway - at least we know that neither PRRA nor HC have been rejected yet.
Cause our lawyer forgets things: he forgot to send us AOR for HC, and before that he forgot to send us removal order too. Imagine our shock when CBSA called him in for removal interview!
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Hello everyone I need you guys input on this matter,i have a friend who receive a eligible removal assessment a few months ago, and yesterday she received another letter from them stating that they have reached a decision on this matter anyone have been in this similar situation can shed some light on this experience
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Originally posted by DELROYSEH DELROYSEH wrote:

Hello everyone I need you guys input on this matter,i have a friend who receive a eligible removal assessment a few months ago, and yesterday she received another letter from them stating that they have reached a decision on this matter anyone have been in this similar situation can shed some light on this experience
Thank in advance


Sounds like Pre removal risk assessment. My spouse is currently waiting for his decision. The approval rate is 3% only so in most cases it is negative. If this is the case, CBsA will call him in directly for pre-removal interview and start booking tickets.

Next option is to fight for administrative deferral of removal (through lawyer). Some officers are nice and give people a few months to close their accounts in Canada, with the condition to come in for monthly check-ins.
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Thank you very Feltrinella for that info
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