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akella
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Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 11:54pm |
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Another interesting case from Fed. court website:
THE MINISTER OF CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION vs. DJENABOU HOPE DIALLO http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/en/2012/2012fc1537/2012fc1537.html Applicant had:
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Outcome:
There was also a reference to the paragraph from Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) v El Bousserghini, 2012 FC 88 that is interesting as well and I think was not covered in our previous discussions (paragraph 19 - mentioning "excessive burden"): [19] Regarding the first point, in my opinion the Minister imposes an
excessive burden on the respondents. In civil cases, the applicable standard of
proof is the balance of probabilities. Although citizenship is a privilege, the
Act does not require corroboration. It is the responsibility of the original
decision-maker, taking the context into consideration, to determine the extent
and nature of the evidence required (Mizani v Canada (Minister of Citizenship
and Immigration); Abbott Estate v Toronto Transportation Commission;
LĂ©vesque v Comeau). I agree that it would be extremely unusual and
perhaps reckless, to rely on the testimony of an individual to establish his
residency, with no supporting documentation. I also agree that passports are
the best evidence, as long as they have been stamped at each point of entry.
Whether it was a failure to produce a document or a failure to call a witness
who could corroborate the facts in the citizenship application, the
decision-maker could come to an adverse finding. No questions were raised
regarding the respondents’ explanation that they had to turn in their
passports to the Moroccan government to obtain new ones. Although it would
have been preferable for them to have kept a copy of these passports, the
respondents cannot be punished for not doing so considering the judge was
convinced they were physically present in Canada. [citations omitted; emphasis added] Lessons learned?
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Vancan2012
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I don't think buffer days would have made much difference, except if she had close to a year in which case it would be hard to argue that she *only* had 365 days over the minimum. With that being said, I think old passports are pretty important to have during the test, as they clearly indicate most of the absences the applicant may have had during the relevant 4 year period.
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Vancouver S03/12 L03/12 IP11/12 RQ 03/13 XFER 03/13 Currently In Process
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Vancan2012
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Well, any buffer of more than the 9 months on question would've helped, actually. I read the entire case now and I think this is one of those situations a bigger buffer would've made sense. I always say buffer is useless but also say so under the condition that all days are accounted for and no major RQ triggers (missing passport) are present.
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Vancouver S03/12 L03/12 IP11/12 RQ 03/13 XFER 03/13 Currently In Process
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john_10
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But what happens when the government takes old passports, whats the solution? go to the test with an expired one??
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john_10
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even copying the passports might not help since it could mean that you couldve copied it any time when it was valid!!!
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Not all governments take the expired passport. CIC is well familiar with those which do. In that regard see dicta in the MCI and Bousserghini and Kranfouli case, quoted in part in the MCI and Diallo case, distinguishing instances where there are well-defined explanations for not producing the passport (and in Bousserghini in particular the Justice overtly said that keeping copies would have been the preferrable thing for the applying PRs to have do). Thus, a photocopy should, ordinarily suffice. Not for everyone however. Some applicants are more suspicious, in CIC's eyes than others. (One can always go to a notary and have a copy of the passport certified, date specified in the certificate.) The child in me wants to say, with some emphasis: I told you so. I have, though, indeed, explained this in more than a little detail, with reasons, an analysis relying on three decades plus of professional jurisprudence. I am not sure why it is so hard for some to grasp the simple relationship between what is persuasive evidence as opposed to mere quantitative evidence which is largely cumulative. If the key documentary evidence is insufficient to meet CIC's standard of proof, a huge pile of detailed documentation is not going to matter all that much. (Note: cumulative evidence is not really relevant; this is evidence 102, maybe even evidence 101.) In any event, I will address this further in the appropriate topic for discussing Federal Court cases and proof of residency generally. |
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Bureaucracy is what bureaucracy does, or When in doubt, follow the instructions. Otherwise, follow the instructions.
BTW: Not an expert, not a Can. lawyer, never worked in immigration |
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mvb
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Whether going to the test with expired passport doesn't raise any questions? I am just wondering about that possibility. Edited by mvb - 23 Jan 2013 at 9:52am |
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cvv31
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If you have an expired passport, that means you cannot travel, am I right ? so isn't that a proof that you reside in Canada.
I almost did not renew mine because I am not travelling then I had a second thought and changed my mine. I still don't travel but I renewed mine!
Is there something I am missing here ?
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akella
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No, unfortunately. I think there was at least one case where this (reasonable, I must say) logic was reversed:
In short, better renew it if you can. Edited by akella - 23 Jan 2013 at 10:59am |
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mvb
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Fantastic answer...to keep in mind. Thanks |
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